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Post by The Wirefox on Oct 16, 2011 10:44:17 GMT
Raylee has raised here desire to see a separate group for black and white photography. Its and obvious omission from the forum really/ What do you think? You have 5 days to indicate a preference
Cheers
Steve
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Post by nickjohnson on Oct 16, 2011 11:45:34 GMT
Steve, I had to vote NO. Reason is that I'm very unhappy with folks in other places who put non-monochrome images in a place specifically designated as being for monochrome. Oh – and they then expect the Admins / Mods to spend their time sorting it all out. Oh – and then they apologise after the event – explaining that they thought a little bit of colour was OK. Not that I'm a bad looser or anything ….. just saying.
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Post by jiro on Oct 16, 2011 11:45:57 GMT
I'm in favor of adding a group for b&w photography. All genres can be considered and that would generate more open discussion.
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Post by jiro on Oct 16, 2011 11:49:03 GMT
Steve, I had to vote NO. Reason is that I'm very unhappy with folks in other places who put non-monochrome images in a place specifically designated as being for monochrome. Oh – and they then expect the Admins / Mods to spend their time sorting it all out. Oh – and then they apologise after the event – explaining that they thought a little bit of colour was OK. Not that I'm a bad looser or anything ….. just saying. Good point, Nick. IMO, if we will practice common sense and not involve in semantics, we can simply put "Submit only images that involves tones ranging from black to white without any tones from other colors."
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Post by clactonian on Oct 16, 2011 11:49:23 GMT
Although I'm in favour Steve, I think Nick makes a fair point, and it's all very well us members saying that we want this 'n that but at the end of the day the work is going to fall on the mods. It's up to you guys.
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Post by The Wirefox on Oct 16, 2011 12:05:09 GMT
I accept Nick and Mike's points but I suppose this can happen in any of the groups e.g. members posting portraits on the landscapes board.
One thing we would need to make clear is the definition of what is acceptable on a b/w board. I think monochrome mentioned above best encompasses permitted content. That way tinted images would still apply but selective colouring would not.
I don't mind weeding out the odd colour images now and then but if it gets out of hand we would need think again.
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Post by jiro on Oct 16, 2011 12:19:13 GMT
We can simply narrow down the guidelines. Just black and white tones, no selective colorization, tinting is allowed but only in one color (like sepia, selenium, platinum, titanium, uranium, plutonium... ) ;D ;D ;D. No exceptions.
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Post by chrisc on Oct 16, 2011 12:36:58 GMT
I am glad I read down the page before voting. I am amazed at the number of "photographers" who do not know what a monochromatic scale is. There was a huge problem with this on another forum.
I would be happy to make a sample page of scales (similar to what I used on Nick's "garden" print,) using the SEP which would be considered monochromatic if this would assist those who do not have a film background and simply do not know.
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Post by The Wirefox on Oct 16, 2011 13:07:18 GMT
Chris I think we know what the scale is. The use of the word 'monochrome' is simply to get across that a monchromatic tint (of any colour) may be permissible. It is a mix of colours within a single image that we are defining as a 'colour' image. For example duo tint would not be permissible under the parameters postulated above. Or am I missing something
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Post by Steaphany on Oct 16, 2011 13:53:49 GMT
Good point, Nick. IMO, if we will practice common sense and not involve in semantics, we can simply put "Submit only images that involves tones ranging from black to white without any tones from other colors." What about toned and tinted monochrome ? These are traditionally chemical processes that predate digital photography and though not specifically "color", tinting adds a hue to the normally white areas of a photograph and toning alters dark Silver containing black to another shade as in Selenium, Sepia, Platinum processes. I've never heard of any arguing over toned and tinted monochrome images not being classed as B&W or being labeled as Color. Having started in photography long before digital ever existed, the delineation was based upon the nature of the film. Monochrome or B&W employed a single emulsion while color employed three spectrally selective emulsions. If your negative only had one emulsion, no matter what you did to get the final print, it was classed as B&W.
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Post by jiro on Oct 16, 2011 13:58:55 GMT
Read further down, Steaph. I explained that tinting is allowed but only in one tone.
"We can simply narrow down the guidelines. Just black and white tones, no selective colorization, tinting is allowed but only in one color (like sepia, selenium, platinum, titanium, uranium, plutonium... ) ;D ;D ;D. No exceptions."
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Post by The Wirefox on Oct 16, 2011 13:59:45 GMT
Steaphany,
I agree single colour tinted/toned images should be included. I used the term black and white loosely in my OP it should have read monochrome.
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Post by Frostbyte on Oct 16, 2011 14:20:30 GMT
It sounds like the options are that it should be MONOchrome or COLORchrome. If it isn't monochrome, then it must be colorchrome. Colorchrome may not be a valid term but I use it to emphasize the point that B&W sometimes confuses.
On the other hand, why should we let this get us upset? If we simply ignore any image that isn't properly posted, then we don't have to police the situation.
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Post by The Wirefox on Oct 16, 2011 14:51:15 GMT
If we simply ignore any image that isn't properly posted, then we don't have to police the situation. Absolutely Frank I couldnt agree more. Whoever invited you on this forum deserves a medal...the voice of sanity
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Post by katynoelle on Oct 16, 2011 18:01:35 GMT
Speaking of interesting colors.... My boys have been ecstatic for days, now. They've just found out that obsidian is real and not only a made up element in Minecraft! Oooo, aaaah!
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