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Post by Antonio Correia on Nov 18, 2011 17:33:45 GMT
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Post by robmarshall on Nov 18, 2011 17:59:31 GMT
I think we have to get this monitor calibration thing sorted out. I'm looking at your shot on my calibrated monitor, Antonio, and it's a very nice composition with some great detail. But it looks far too underexposed. Here is the histogram for it. You have no whites in the last third of the histogram. I should think the shot is under-exposed, but does it look OK to you on your screen? Or did you perhaps intend it to be like this? Apologies to you if you did.  Capture by rob marshall images, on Flickr |
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Post by chrisc on Nov 18, 2011 18:24:09 GMT
I went a slightly different route after I saw this image on Cambridge and gave it high praise...then saw your critique and began to wonder if I hadn't perhaps been a bit hasty. (I do like it Antonio, but I sorta-kinda like where Rob went as well.) Instead of using a Levels adjustment, I reset the black and white points using the eyedroppers in the Curves Adjustment panel. While, in most ways Rob and I ended in the same place, I think the Curve leaves a bit softer contrast and doesn't go quite so bright. Then again, please note that I am at school and this monitor tends toward a higher contrast.  |
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Post by robmarshall on Nov 18, 2011 18:31:05 GMT
Chris I took my edit out. I think I can see the problem here. If you look at my screen grab in post #2 you can see it's different to Antonio's original. But I had not edited it at that stage. I had trouble loading the image due to an unrecognised ICC profile (gray gamma 1.8) I had to convert it to sRGB then edit it. I finally got this...  man4srgb by rob marshall images, on Flickr |
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Post by chrisc on Nov 18, 2011 18:43:00 GMT
Which is just about where I ended up with the curve adjustment. That was as far as I went with my editing. Mostly, I was trying to see your reasoning behind the edit. I learn best by emulating other, more advanced PP specialists such as yourself.
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Post by The Wirefox on Nov 18, 2011 20:41:45 GMT
Hmm. I see where you guys are coming from but shooting to the left purposely can give a totally different feel to an image. The above demonstrates this very well. Antonio's OP is moody...almost brooding but something of that feel is lost in the adjusted image. I can't quite put my finger on it but it has definitely missing. The only recommendation I would make for the original is a touch more contrast
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Post by Antonio Correia on Nov 18, 2011 22:14:25 GMT
Thank you all for the comments.  Let me try to explain some points here. The, what I could call as vignetting, is intentional in some of my last images in black and white and I think the histogram is fooled by the treatment I impose to the photo. I do not care about the histogram because it has no value in this case. Like for example shooting the Moon: the histogram has little meaning in this specific case. However, considering the comments made I do have made another image which I show here. I also captured the histogram for you to see. But I do not calibrate my monitor.  This is something I should have bought a long time ago. - The other day I made a print of the "Domestic violence" and it came out just fine. The professional photographer who uses a calibrated Mac told me that he adjusted the histogram. Again this can be my problem. But let me come back to this very image. Now the portrait pops out more and I hesitate which I like best between the two versions. I intend to print the portraits for an exposition some day in the future. I am just making a collection of them by now. At the moment of the print I must ask to do a coherent job. Perhaps here again this is not the best method but... The images have been printed in a ink-jet plotter. Bellow, the two versions side by side for a better comparaison. Previewing before posting to you I like best the first proposal.  -  - And another line before posting: These comments make me improve my photography. It happened here, with the boy and in other situations. Thank you very much. I like this ! |
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Post by chrisc on Nov 18, 2011 22:29:44 GMT
Now that I am back on my calibrated monitor, I can see my edit post is too bright- c'est la vie - I'll learn some day.
What I like about your edit on the right is the naturalness of the hair features and I think both Rob's and my edits tend to blow those out a bit.
What I might try is to take your second (right side) edit and add a layer mask, then go back in a add a bit more detail to the areas of the hair which are slightly overblown, giving those areas back that nice detail.
However, I would leave the rest as it sits now: a tad brighter, with the contrast giving strength to his gaze and hand position.
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Post by Antonio Correia on Nov 18, 2011 22:30:18 GMT
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Post by Antonio Correia on Nov 18, 2011 22:32:42 GMT
Thank you Chris Good point ! |
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Post by jeeperman on Nov 19, 2011 0:39:30 GMT
Hmmm, I am learning quite a bit from this post alone. Nice photo Antonio and thanks everyone for the enlargement of a few brain cells.
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Post by manthos on Nov 19, 2011 12:52:20 GMT
Paul said it for me. The conversation is very helpful.
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Post by Antonio Correia on Nov 20, 2011 10:26:24 GMT
There is only one thing missing here: How I did I Later, some day I must "teach" you ;D ;D |
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