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Post by jiro on Jan 6, 2012 17:38:09 GMT
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Post by Barry on Jan 6, 2012 18:45:07 GMT
Although it would be nice to have a new toy, I have seen far better images taken on less of equipment than I already have. So I will stick with what I have at the moment.
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Post by chrisc on Jan 6, 2012 19:11:48 GMT
I read most of the hype on it and reviews, etc., and I can't see the dollar value for the product received...when is enough, enough?
I think when it comes to cameras like Hasselblads at 42MP, then you are getting a full value for the dollar, but even then...goodness, who wants to spend 42K on a camera?
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Post by jiro on Jan 6, 2012 19:40:53 GMT
If you can take good pictures using a basic featured DSLR... imagine what you can produce if given a nice toy like this! ;D We already know that it's the one behind the camera that creates good images. But, we should not take for granted that without the proper technology, there are some images that we can't take brilliantly at ease. I still would like to salivate on this one. LOL!
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Post by The Wirefox on Jan 6, 2012 19:44:03 GMT
Although it would be nice to have a new toy, I have seen far better images taken on less of equipment than I already have. So I will stick with what I have at the moment. My feelings exactly. Its an ugly cus too and all those rubbery jack covers...even extending to the front of the camera. Controls around the shutter release in a position where you have to tip the camera back to see them...and those gaping seams around the portrait grip. Why is the scroll wheel under the shutter release?? If I were to pay that much for a bit of kit I would want all the tech and expect good design to be standard. This brick is one of the reasons why as a hobbyist I will be going the other way when I change my camera...light, functional and pretty
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Post by Antonio Correia on Jan 6, 2012 22:00:12 GMT
Cameras like Hasselblads at 42MP and alike surely produce large files and to work with them you need a power machine. The same thing is happening with the new Nikon. Most of the times, if not always, a new camera brings the need of a new and more powerful computer, don't you think so ? Chris, in the World there are people for everything, people who can do everything they want because they have piles, tonnes of money. Why not an Hasselblad if it's supposed to be the best toy ? However, there are many people working with this equipment all over the World www.hasselblad.com/hasselblad-owners-club/hasselblad-photographers.aspxI agree with Willie when he says "If you can take good pictures using a basic featured DSLR... imagine what you can produce if given a nice toy like this!"
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Post by Barry on Jan 6, 2012 22:08:58 GMT
My feelings exactly. Its an ugly cus too and all those rubbery jack covers...even extending to the front of the camera. Controls around the shutter release in a position where you have to tip the camera back to see them... That is standard Nikon layout, and us who use Nikon finds these control to use very natural. It would be the same as giving me a Canon to use, I would be struggling and keep having to look at the camera to see what I'm moving.
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Post by The Wirefox on Jan 7, 2012 7:53:53 GMT
He he, I know. When I first looked at DSLR I was inclined toward Nikon but they felt too much like my Fujifilm bridge in terms of control layout and I had never felt 100% comfortable with that. It illustrates why tying ourselves up in knots over specs becomes irrelevant until we actually pick up the camera. My 40D is an aging beast but it just feels so right...pity it is so big and hefty. Now if they made a digital back for my OM2n..seventh heaven.
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Post by The Wirefox on Jan 7, 2012 8:30:35 GMT
Antonio I think the reality is that these cameras are made for people who make a living off them. It is assumed that if the tog is a good enough businessman or woman then their companies are turning over enough to still turn a net profit even after heavy investment in cameras and computers. This is true for all business tech. The mistake photography businesses often make is that they need all this high end kit before they can even start up...totally ignoring realistic business projections. Photography is unusual but not unique in that amateurs can indulge in business spec gear without the concern of having to make it pay. The attributes that make these cameras necessary for 365 day business are often superfluous to the amateur. It is a bit like buying a formula one racing machine for the sunday outing just because it has the highest price tag although it is total overkill for the task in hand. In reality camera and computer companies invest heavily in trying to match the needs of consumer and business. High incomes mean that hobbyists can ignore this in the mistaken belief that pro gear is designed as a badge of the dedicated and/or wealthy....its not its designed for pros and all the investment that entails. The pinnacle of dedication of the amateur does not mean business scale investment. That would be mad given the nature of photography...but it often happens.
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Post by Antonio Correia on Jan 7, 2012 10:05:48 GMT
@ Steve Thank you for the words Steve. Have a nice week-end and make some photographs. I hope to be able to do so. My grand son is staying for the afternoon and I am going out in this bright shinning morning of Saturday.
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Post by katynoelle on Jan 7, 2012 14:57:08 GMT
@ Steve Thank you for the words Steve. Have a nice week-end and make some photographs. I hope to be able to do so. My grand son is staying for the afternoon and I am going out in this bright shinning morning of Saturday. In your Ferrari? OH, Antonio, I just HAVE to say that I hope you had a wonderful morning and a wonderful time with grand son - is that the brand new one (grandson, I mean)? (Way better than a shiny, red sports car!
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Post by katynoelle on Jan 7, 2012 15:07:47 GMT
So, Steve! For the longest time, I have dreamt of a 40D but by the time I get there, it will be quite vintage. The only reason I've been dreaming about it, though, is because it has more focus points than the 450D (that does muck me up, sometimes! ) but I didn't know why else I would even need a better camera. Now, thoughts of less noise and sharper image are floating through my mind (and just a few other little technical things that I can't remember, at the moment.) What I'm trying to say is - the 450D is just fine for me, now, while I'm learning - even - it's made me stretch to figure out how to get around it's weaknesses. For example, because it doesn't handle underexposure very well, at all - it forces me to get my lazy self to work and do better and figure out another way to get a fast enough shutter speed and/or clear image. My only worry (having done, in essence, a fourteen month PAD)... can a person wear their camera out??? (eek!) and, then, there's that last notch on the dial.... what in the world is 'A-dep' for? I need to finish, even, reread my instruction manual - it's really a wealth.... Lastly, my step-dad-in-law's 5D? I was so jealous, at first, but it's so dang heavy!
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Post by Antonio Correia on Jan 7, 2012 15:32:35 GMT
@ Steve Thank you for the words Steve. Have a nice week-end and make some photographs. I hope to be able to do so. My grand son is staying for the afternoon and I am going out in this bright shinning morning of Saturday. In your Ferrari? OH, Antonio, I just HAVE to say that I hope you had a wonderful morning and a wonderful time with grand son - is that the brand new one (grandson, I mean)? (Way better than a shiny, red sports car! I wouldn't like to have a Ferrari. Rather a convertible 6 cylinders top BMW !
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Post by The Wirefox on Jan 7, 2012 17:50:52 GMT
The 450D is a great little camera. Becki still uses my old one. Mechanically it is likely to be the shutter that fails. Forums seem to quote 50,000 actuations as being the manufacturers spec, but that is unconfirmed. The chart below collates the results of an online survey of users. This is trending based on a limited sample so again not to be taken as truly indicative. The bottom line is don't worry about it. If you do upgrade I would consider the 50D rather than the 40D. A newer model and some very competitive prices too. You will not see day and night image quality difference in good lighting conditions between the 450D and the 40D(or the 5D MkII for that matter). High ISO performance is better but nowhere near modern standards. Also remember that if you go to a 40d you will be sacrificing Megapixels. It does not bother me one jot but it may for heavy croppers and poster printers. The biggest difference is in build quality and having the info screen on the top of the camera. That was my only niggle with the 450D...settings have to be read on LCD. oh, and the 40D only has 9 focus points. Off centre focus is OK but not precise. I use centre point where possible. A-DEP - dont touch it...if you do your creativity will self destruct in 10 seconds. Basically it attempts to get everything in the scene in focus by comparing the 9 focus points and selecting an aperture that allows that to happen. It then adjusts the shutter speed to suit. Since the aperture is prioritised, depending on the depth of the scene the camera could well calculate a shutter speed that cannot be held by hand. Don't ask me why Cannon included this feature I think they thought it would create an instant Ansel Adams image. In reality they should have saved the space. So, Steve! For the longest time, I have dreamt of a 40D but by the time I get there, it will be quite vintage. The only reason I've been dreaming about it, though, is because it has more focus points than the 450D (that does muck me up, sometimes! ) but I didn't know why else I would even need a better camera. Now, thoughts of less noise and sharper image are floating through my mind (and just a few other little technical things that I can't remember, at the moment.) What I'm trying to say is - the 450D is just fine for me, now, while I'm learning - even - it's made me stretch to figure out how to get around it's weaknesses. For example, because it doesn't handle underexposure very well, at all - it forces me to get my lazy self to work and do better and figure out another way to get a fast enough shutter speed and/or clear image. My only worry (having done, in essence, a fourteen month PAD)... can a person wear their camera out??? (eek!) and, then, there's that last notch on the dial.... what in the world is 'A-dep' for? I need to finish, even, reread my instruction manual - it's really a wealth.... Lastly, my step-dad-in-law's 5D? I was so jealous, at first, but it's so dang heavy!
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Post by The Wirefox on Jan 7, 2012 17:54:11 GMT
Still dull and blustery here Antonio. I am having trouble visualising shots at present (it will pass0 so I thought I would antagonise Nikon users instead...naughty...but fun Enjoy your time with your Grandson Antonio. @ Steve Thank you for the words Steve. Have a nice week-end and make some photographs. I hope to be able to do so. My grand son is staying for the afternoon and I am going out in this bright shinning morning of Saturday.
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